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10 March 2010

File photo: Howard speaks with a patient at Cairns Private Hospital, November 15, 2007 (Getty Images: Lisa Maree Williams)

Healthcare: bang for buck

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Sinclair Davidson

Sinclair Davidson

There seems to be some 'confusion' about recent health spending. Kevin Rudd told a Q & A audience that the previous government 'took a billion dollars out of the public hospital system'.

While Chris Uhlmann, on Insiders, claimed that the Howard government had cut spending on public hospitals. This is an extraordinary claim. In Uhlmann's defence it looks like he has misinterpreted some statistics put out by the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare.

Paul Sheehan, writing in The Sydney Morning Herald, has called the 'Howard cut health spending' meme a big lie and declared that anyone repeating this mantra is lying. That is a big call - it is also correct. Of the many criticisms we can make of the Howard government, not spending isn't one of them. Indeed, Kevin Rudd came to power promising that 'this reckless spending must stop'.

The Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) report that total Health expenditure by the Commonwealth increased from $21.8 billion in 1998-99 to $39.9 billion in 2006-07 - the last full financial year of the Howard government. Equivalent data for the states are from $19.7 billion in 1998-99 to $37.2 billion in 2006-07. There is no evidence the Howard government stripped money out of health in general. But what about public hospitals?

The ABS doesn't report down to that level of detail, but the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare does. Commonwealth funding of public Hospitals rose from $5.9 billion in 1997-98 to $10.7 billion in 2006-07, while state funding of public hospitals rose from just under $7 billion to $14.8 billion over the same period. There is no evidence to support Kevin Rudd's claim that the Howard government stripped money from public hospitals. The amount of funding increased in every year and did so by more than GDP growth.

What happened, as Joe Hockey indicated on Insiders, is that the states have dramatically increased their funding of hospitals. Afterall, public hospitals are a state responsibility. That increase is particularly noticeable after the introduction of the GST in 2000. In other words a Commonwealth tax passed onto the states in full is partly responsible for an increase in state funding to hospitals. It is that funding that the Commonwealth now wants to take off the states and earmark for health spending. It that sounds like a bit of a merry-go-round, that's because it is.

It is understandable that the current government wants to differentiate itself from its predecessor. It is not clear that it should do so by out-spending the Howard government. Ironically Howard has a reputation of being somewhat hard-hearted; yet the empirical record is very different. Andrew Norton of the Centre for Independent Studies has shown that Howard government spending on issues such as Health and Education rose faster than under the previous Keating government. He has labelled Howard a conservative social democrat.

All governments like to think that increasing the amount of money thrown at problems will solve that problem. But, as we now know from the Rudd government stimulus package, the quality of spend can be more important than the quantity of spending. So too with health - my IPA colleague Julie Novak has shown that the number of back-office bureaucrats has been increasing, while the number of hospital beds per 1000 population has declined. In the spending we have had over the past fifteen years, the bang for buck has declined.

The bottom line is this; billions of dollars from both the Commonwealth and states are poured into health and hospitals each year. The overwhelming bulk of that funding comes from the Commonwealth. More than 50 per cent of the health dollar comes directly from the Commonwealth through its own budget and another large proportion of it comes indirectly through the GST. It might be possible to show that the Commonwealth share of public hospital funding declined but only if we think of the GST as a state tax (as the Howard government did) and not, correctly, as a Commonwealth tax (as the Rudd government does).

Sinclair Davidson is a professor in the School of Economics, Finance and Marketing at RMIT University and a Senior Fellow at the Institute of Public Affairs.

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  • Les G :

    14 Mar 2010 8:58:34am

    I don't see why Rudd came up with such a half baked scheme.
    If he were fair dinkum, he'd let the states keep the GST, cut back on the Comm/State grants and fund 100% of the hospitals via an increase in the Medicare levy.

  • DrSolution. :

    12 Mar 2010 3:51:28pm

    The solution is a network of medical quality control systems networked nationally. Focused on patient outcomes not doctor bank.

    Local boards will just be another smoke grenade to the real issues of wasted tax payers dollars and peadiatric harm. Harming children is incredibly lucrative for the medical profession.

  • Drtaxsavings. :

    12 Mar 2010 3:34:06pm

    i have been studying the chinese medical model. They have medical quality control centers. Why do we not have such centers that police surgical over servicing of children. As this type of of peadiatric over servicing leads to massive income for doctors over the childs life. We should look at preventing waste which is a massive burden to the taxpayer. Outcome medicine will reduce taxpayer expenditure.

  • Mutley :

    12 Mar 2010 12:28:14am

    And does anybody who can actually think for themselves watch The Insiders? It's diabolical.

      • Kosuza :

        12 Mar 2010 11:50:41am

        The Onesiders is a show for Liberals, so unfortunately the answer is "no".

  • Mutley :

    12 Mar 2010 12:22:46am

    So this must mean Howard was a bloody communist! You know, I never realised it at the time. So all thanks to the right wing goons of the IPA for setting the record straight.

  • John :

    11 Mar 2010 1:44:30pm

    What is The Rodent saying to that poor patient in the hospital bed?

    "I'm sorry it is Coalition policy to sell your grandkids into virtual slavery with SerfChoices."

    "I'm sorry the Coalition never gave you a raise in the pension."

    "I'm sorry for blowing $314 billion in my last 2.5 years in office with nothing to show for it, and for leaving a surplus buffer against inevitable cyclic downturn of only $20 billion"

    "I'm sorry that as PM I conducted myself like a suppository to GW Bush."

    ... Nah, he said none of those things. He doesn't believe in saying sorry!

      • DocMercury :

        11 Mar 2010 6:13:31pm

        You never can tell who's baby they just kissed, or the hand of which "Typhoid Mary" they have just grasped.

        Maybe politicians can be fortification for our immune systems, by ensuring we've defense antibody for every disease in the urban wilds.

  • Phil Mayne :

    11 Mar 2010 1:11:10pm

    The most frightening thing about this new Federal Hospital control is the army of pubic serpents required to "administer" it. They will of course reside in Canberra where their prospects for promotion, and the associated awards, will be more readily noticed by those in power.

    Rudd says he will pay hospitals based upon performance statistics. I can imagine the jiggery pokery that will develop around that. It's bad enough that current, under spent, PS budgets are always maxxed on crap at the end of the budget period just to ramp up the numbers for the next period.

    Wait for the shuffling of ops from one quarter to the next or job specs being changed, or cases reassigned, to create a more favourable set of KPI's for maximum budget allocation with minimum efficiency.

      • Drpaidforops, :

        12 Mar 2010 6:25:10pm

        Your post is excellent, but we need to apply semantics. Performance for money..... or quality health care for less money. I counselled recently a young veterinarian. He was stressed because he was told by the owner of the practice to do operations on pets that the pet did not need and the owner could not afford. The individual I councilled was forced to work the client into a 2500 dollar operation on their pet that would have healed naturally.

        The young vet felt guilty, firstly for lieing to old ladies and their pets, also harming an innocent animal and getting the money from the owner. He just is not up to being a capitalist veterinarian. We remain good friends, he has decided to downsize his potential income and become a school teacher. He was always a pet shop owner, not a vet, in love with the green highly moral ideals. He will never make a yacht loving ENT. The fact is he will never blow the whistle on his colleagues either, as he has put the scalpel unnecessarily into pets before his epiphany of moral integrity.

        It is interesting he said that injections for fleas in dogs cure it instantly but it is frowned appon now.

        A universal flee eradication injection day in australia would wreck the useless but very expensive frontline crap that they peddle.....

        Spend fifty dollars but make sure you do not wash your dog... those flea things are a scam.

        This is no different to paediatric ear medicine.

          • Phil Mayne :

            13 Mar 2010 1:24:44pm

            There are plenty of Vet practices that are more than honest in their approach. We changed our (city) vet when he removed the wrong bit from one of our dogs. This required additional long term drugs to stabilise her. Then he offered a course of acupuncture which would have required a mortgage. We saw through him and switched to another (country) practice with vets in tune with the creatures they serve.

            Vis a Vis our health service, good doctors will be pushed aside by the money grubbers and the pubic serpents who fawn over them. I predict this national health move will be an unparalleled disaster, well beyond the roof insulation debacle.

  • Hermit :

    11 Mar 2010 8:50:05am

    Please can we do without the pictures of politicians leaning over patients in hospitals.

  • Macca :

    11 Mar 2010 8:27:34am

    As soon as I saw the 'member of the IPA' I knew it would be a rubbishy coalition bias article without having to read it.

  • Icon O'Clast :

    11 Mar 2010 12:03:33am

    Both this article and the majority of comments below are worthy of comment.

    In the first instance we need to decide whether or not we deem universal health care to be a platform upon which we will build our future as a society. By that I mean we need to decide if everybody is entitled to treatment for diabetes, cardiac problems, or skin cancer, or if only the wealthy are entitled to prompt and effective treatment.

    If we decide only the wealthy are entitled to health care, then the government should cease all health funding and leave it to the private sector and the health insurers to arrive at a supply and demand solution.

    If we decide that all are entitled to health care, then we need to fund that health care. Anybody who has been staying abreast of current affairs knows that our population is getting older and the health care system is finding more expensive ways to keep us alive for longer. There is no escaping the fact that, as a society, we will need to pay more collectively in order to properly fund health care for all.

    At this point in time, a significant proportion of tax payer health funding in the form of the private insurance rebate is NOT being spent on health care - instead, it is going into the coffers of the private health insurers!

    Should we decide against the soylent green solution then we should dump the health insurance rebate and have a simple health care levy paid by all taxpayers.

    One thing for sure, in the current system James Packer and Twiggy Forrest have minimal private health insurance thereby avoiding the 1.5% medicare levy AND get a rebate, but just pay for the best health care on offer out of their own pockets. Meanwhile, your grandmother is on a waiting list for a hip replacement and your son waited 12 hours with a broken wrist at A&E after falling off his motocross bike.

      • Drpaidforops, :

        12 Mar 2010 6:32:50pm

        I like your post ....

        By that I mean we need to decide if everybody is entitled to treatment for diabetes, cardiac problems, or skin cancer, or if only the wealthy are entitled to prompt and effective treatment.

        The rich (those that give extra money) get prompt treatment yes this is true.

        Wether that treatment is effective is up to a quality control system with norm referenced criteria - this does not exist in our capitalist medical system.

        We see the before shots on TV, the patient help me.... we do not see the after shot of the patient on TV where the surgery has gone wrong ( in your words Icon O clast ineffective- the doctor got paid) with a journalist placing down 100 dollar bills down on a table to demonstrate the amount involved in the transaction.

      • Phil Mayne :

        13 Mar 2010 2:10:15pm

        Twiggy and the gambler's son are required to pay the medicare levy at a percentage of their taxable income. They probably don't have any. Wasn't it the gambler who payed about one dollar income tax per year?

  • Red Udare :

    10 Mar 2010 11:08:28pm

    The last time the Australian Government gave a big bang for our bucks they blew up a Canberra Hospital and killed a 14 year old child in the process.

  • Dr rory willis transactions :

    10 Mar 2010 10:52:29pm

    Explain how increase payment = better patient health outcomes.... sorry we will have to amputate your toe that you just stubbed....

  • Dr rory willis transactions :

    10 Mar 2010 10:43:15pm

    i just love how doctors put their hand out to the tax payer and herd and say give me more money without any accountability.

    Had i not been wrecked unnecessarilly and otologically as a child i would have been one of them.... but it is hard for the deaf to get an education......and the education they get is always inferior no matter how hard they try.

  • Mim :

    10 Mar 2010 10:30:15pm

    I wouldn't have a clue about health funding and who pays for what. But IMO all taxes are ultimately 'state' taxes. Way back when, the states agreed for the Federal Government to collect taxes on their behalf for the good of the country as a whole. The Federal government gets to keep as much as it wants and then there's a lot of argy bargy about how the rest gets allocated.

    This health thing is just another tiff about how much money gets earmarked for specific programs, rather than the states setting their own priorities for the things they do.

    The Federal governments of all persuasions would like to control everything. I say no, they can't control everything. States have to have control of what they manage and operate. The Federal government can keep what it needs to do the things that are common to all, like foreign affairs and other international policy.

    Last I heard we are still a Federation of States.

  • Graeme Bird :

    10 Mar 2010 9:53:13pm

    Rather than merely criticising the latest Rudd spending program, it might be an idea to put forward what would constitute ideal holistic reform to get results. And then there is something to compare Rudds reforms with.

    The WAY resources are brought to the industry counts and not just how much resources are brought to it.

  • Dr rory willis transactions :

    10 Mar 2010 9:50:34pm

    when will the taxpayer funded media wake up to the medical corruption.... and then take on the world with good medicine for profit......it is easy to attack the innocent children in our own borders for money.....lets have a warts an all investigation into ent ...... sory accc no mandate.... police no mandate.... talk to the commonwealth ombudsman.......

  • BARRY :

    10 Mar 2010 8:14:10pm

    Ross Greenwood: Quote: Ross Greenwood of Money News.

    Right now the Federal Government is at pains

    to tell everyone - including us the

    mug-punters and the International Monetary

    Fund that it will not exceed its own,

    self-imposed, borrowing limits. How much?

    $200 billion. And here's a worry. If you work

    in a bank's money market operation; or if you

    are a politician; the millions turn into

    billions and it rolls off the tip of the

    tongue a bit too easily. But every dollar

    that is borrowed, some time, has to be

    repaid. By you, by me and by the rest of the

    country.

    Just after 5 o'clock tonight I did a bit of

    maths for Jason Morrison. But it's so

    staggering its worth repeating now. First

    though; here's what Chairman Rudd has been

    saying about - what he calls - these

    temporary borrowings. Remember those words:

    temporary deficit. but the total Government

    debt could end up around $200 billion. So

    here's a very basic calculation ... I used a

    home loan calculator to work it out ... it's

    that simple. $200 billion is $200,000

    million. The current 10 year Government bond

    rate is 4.67 per cent. I worked the loan out

    over a period of 20 years.

    Now here's where it gets scary ... really

    scary. The repayments on $200 billion come to

    more than one and a quarter billion dollars -

    every month - for 20 years. It works out we -

    as taxpayers - will be repaying $154 billion

    in interest and principal every year ... $733

    for every man woman and child - every year.

    The total interest bill over the 20 years is

    - get this - $108 b

      • Arthur 1 :

        12 Mar 2010 6:42:24am

        Barry,
        There will be a host of investors,who will be happy with the borrowings,self funded retirees,super funds etc.The money has to go round,it is just a matter,of how it goes round,and who benefits from govt borrowings.

      • Arthur 1 :

        13 Mar 2010 6:44:04pm

        Barry,
        I suggest you read this article from this morning SMH,Ross Gittons is the man who wrote it,and unlike Barnaby he knows what he is talking about.He also knows the difference between a million,a billion,or a trillion.
        He also knows the difference between,nett debt and Gross Debt,which is something that Barnaby doesn't know.

        http://www.smh.com.au/business/why-our-foreign-debt-is-a-taboo-topic-20100312-q42h.html

        The net foreign Debt as of December is about $648b.

        Government debt including the States is about 10% of that,$64.8b,so the other $500b,is owed by private companys,and you and me,so you can see from that apart from the fact that the debt will be sheeted home to labor and not the liberals there is nothing to worry about,unless you are worried about the huge private debt.

  • Dr Iatrogenics :

    10 Mar 2010 7:47:37pm

    Yes the surgical theaters are filled with allot of lucrative assaults as they are filled with amazing success stories. One phrase we do not hear in this debate is "medical accountability". There is much waste and many unnecessary paediatric victims in medicine. The only constant that does not change is a doctor with its hand out asking for more and more money without transparency.

  • DocStrange ®:

    10 Mar 2010 6:41:27pm

    A Professor of Economics might enlighten us on the 'bucks', even if he comes from a political think-tank. But should he be lecturing on the 'bang' we receive or lack in public health-system improvements?
    Outcome is what counts, not input as he rightly points out. But how many new beds and positions for nurses, midwifes and doctors were created during the Abbott and Howard years?
    That's where the story lies - and how we should measure our politicians.

      • Mutley :

        12 Mar 2010 12:53:35am

        I can almost imagine a Liberal Party health policy, probably called something catchy like The Final Solution To The Health Care Problem. It would be a "two track" system. One for rich people where they were subsidised 150% for their health insurance premiums. The other for the poor people where as soon as they became ill they would be killed.

        They would tell us that like Workchoices it's what we need to stay "efficient" and "competitive".

        And there wouldn't need to be any unnecessary hospital admissions, costly visits to a GP or even public health firing squads to dispatch the poor. I'm sure a Liberal government could deregulate things and liberate the market efficiencies in the involuntary euthanasia sector. The unwell poor could just be sent along to their local vet. After all they have a proven track record in mercy killings and would employ world's best practice.

        Problem solved, costs cut, "class envy" minimised, productivity increased, and no "upward pressures on interest rates". A win-win health system with no black armband nonsense.

  • John Torpy :

    10 Mar 2010 5:09:05pm

    In reading responses such as those by Sinclair Davidson on "Healthcare: Bang for buck",it appears to me that the vast majority of replies are from people who do not know what they are talking about and are basing their comments on their prejudiced opinion. There must be a mathematical objective solution to such are article. Why can't the unbiased truth be put by someone who actually knows. It is disappointing to hear an academic, who should be an unbiased authority peddling his view without showing us, in factual balance sheet form, the reason for his conclusion. I can forgive Paul Sheehan for saying "Howard cut health spending' as a big lie and declared that anyone repeating this mantra is lying" without any justification for his statement, after all he is a journalist and in his article the week before based his assessment of the spending on schools on his conversation with ONE builder.

      • Abbott lies :

        10 Mar 2010 9:30:43pm

        Sinclair Davidson is a senior fellow at the Institute of Public Affairs, a right-wing thinktank which is closely associated with the Liberal Party.
        So close that during one NSW state election at least one Liberal party candidate gave a contact phone number at the Institute of Public Affairs.
        Sinclair Davidson states
        "Commonwealth funding of public Hospitals rose from $5.9 billion in 1997-98 to $10.7 billion in 2006-07"
        This is less than the inflation rate for that period.
        $5.9 billion in 1997 is worth a lot LESS than 10.7 billion in 2007.
        So Howard [Tony Abbot was a Howard govt health minister ] DID reduce hospital spending in real terms.
        And that is without allowing for the population increase.

        C'mon Sinclair, fess up.
        Your stats are dodgy.

      • Wrong Statistics :

        10 Mar 2010 9:52:24pm

        The statistics used by Sinclair Davidson are demonstrably false.
        I shall certainly be complaining to the School of Economics, Finance and Marketing at RMIT about what this professor is writing.

      • Mutley :

        12 Mar 2010 12:23:40am

        John,

        You might forgive Sheehan but I can't. He knows exactly what he's doing.

  • Gaz :

    10 Mar 2010 4:14:45pm

    On the author:

    "Sinclair Davidson is ... a Senior Fellow at the Institute of Public Affairs"

    http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/stories/s2240558.htm

    The Institute for Public Affairs, a front group for the Liberal WorkChoices Coalition.

    Great, their ABC publishes ANOTHER piece from this Liberal front organisation. Liberal politicians .. ex Liberal staffers .. Liberal front-group spokesmen - they're all here on their Drum.

    It's THEIR abc.

      • Graeme Bird :

        10 Mar 2010 9:43:23pm

        Its just terrible. Shocking. It ought all be about the luvvies. After all Classical Liberals never pay taxes right?

          • Gaz :

            11 Mar 2010 1:05:37am

            Where's the balance, Bird?

            I don't see any Labor pollies getting published on the 'Liberal Drum'. Or any ex-Labor staffers for that matter.

  • blax5 :

    10 Mar 2010 1:55:49pm

    I am not certain that the Roxon/Rudd plan is the best that there could be. But the alternative, community committees is such a frightening idea, that we have probably no choice, unless we opt for no change at all.

    Anybody who has ever sat on a community committee should take out their old minutes and recall the situations, then transfer the patterns to a hospital committee.
    In that light, the Roxon/Rudd plan will look absolutely divine, even though it is probably not adequate, because there is still a joint State/Federal responsibility.

    Joint property or joint responsibilities are not a recipe for peaceful coexistence or efficiency - me thinks.

      • Graeme Bird :

        10 Mar 2010 9:47:43pm

        I think its probably better to resist anything that doesn't sound like a comprehensive plan that will work. Once these guys get started there will be no going back.

        The federal government just claiming resources and usurping power has some ways to go as a sensible plan. Even if some of their ad hoc suggestions seem sound.

        There is a science to this. And we can indeed come up with a serious plan to get better cost-effectiveness out of medical services every quarter. We can overlay such a system with funding to help people out who cannot realistically save up for their health care.

  • Bill :

    10 Mar 2010 1:55:49pm

    Two factors which the author blithely ignores are inflation and population growth. I am quite sure that the population increased hugely under Howards immigration policies and I am sure we did not have zero net inflation over the eight year period from 1999 to 2007.

      • Sceptical from Tasmania :

        10 Mar 2010 3:09:17pm

        I agree. The commonwealth did not fund the growth in health spending, resulting in a real decline in the commonwealth share of health costs. The analysis is simplistic. There are also other factors leading to increase in health costs, such as changing technologies and more expensive treatments.

  • Vivienne :

    10 Mar 2010 1:17:54pm

    Talking about health funding and the GST in the same breath is irrelevant. The Howard govt. introduced the GST, collected the money and gave it all to the states in lieu of all the other tied and untied funding it used to dish out to the states. It was a Federal tax but Howard defined it as a State tax - all nonsense in the end. The Feds get all the income tax and decide what to do with it - defence, national roads etc. Davidson can distort the figures easily by cherry picking a year and not comparing like with like but it is a fact that Fed funding of real health declined as it also did in public education.

      • Andy :

        10 Mar 2010 2:30:16pm

        Another lie. All the grants to the states were not abolished in lieu of the GST. What was supposed to be abolished was a whole raft of state taxes to improve business efficiency, reduce costs due to state taxes to compensate for the GST price increases. What has happened is that many of the state ALP governments reneged on their agreement and to this day retain many of the taxes they were supposed to phase out.

          • Vivienne :

            10 Mar 2010 3:13:10pm

            Are you suggesting that the GST was on top of all the previous funding just in exchange for dropping some state taxes - because if you were right then the states would truly be awash with money. They're not of course. I am right and you are right about the various state taxes trade-off. Some taxes were abolished, some were fiddled with and so on but overall they went rather than retained. You exaggerate Andy.

      • Hermit :

        10 Mar 2010 7:15:50pm

        The GST wasn't in lieu of other funding. It was a guaranteed income stream to take the heat out of the annual premier's conference.

        A substantial amount of federal funding still finds its way to the states in the form of grants with strings attached.

        The accountants and political opportunists can have a nice argument about the funding mix.

        The reality is nowhere near the Labor fan club's anti-Howard slogan. Still, anything more complicated than "four legs good, two legs bad" confuses the sheep.

          • Dingbat :

            11 Mar 2010 7:20:37pm

            Hermit, rather than abusing people you disagree with, perhaps you could find out what the public health funding was in the last ALP budget. Unless the figures that the author uses cover the entire period of the Howard government, rather than starting 2 years in, then the comparison is flawed and the author has no foundation to his claim. Simple.

  • Stranded :

    10 Mar 2010 12:27:47pm

    Queensland once had a FANTASTIC public health system.

    We used to have Regional Health Networks ... which worked fantastically well.

    In the early 1990's ... the Goss ALP State Government decided that Centralisation was better so the Public Service bureaucrats could then control the health agenda and money.

    So the regional health boards were dismantled and bought back to Brisbane. QLD Health has been worse for it ... and today is a basket case because of it.

    Who was the architect of new centralised system who destroyed the regional health networks ? A bureaucrat named ..... Kevin Rudd.

      • janeb ®:

        10 Mar 2010 12:49:32pm

        Too right Stranded - Rudd has 'form' on healthcare pfft.

        Why is this article 'hidden' away from view and easy access on this site?

          • cristophles :

            10 Mar 2010 2:05:02pm

            What do you mean hidden? I found it with a click of my mouse.

      • Health worker :

        10 Mar 2010 9:41:21pm

        I have worked as a clinician in Queensland Health for over 20 years. It has always been a good health system, & is continuously improving. Not perfect, but very good just the same.
        If I'm sick I go public - I know how good it is !

        As far as Regional Health Networks are concerned,
        they were actually set up under the ALP Goss government.
        I'm pleased to see you think they "worked fantastically well".
        I do get a bit tired of people repeating the nonsense about health they hear in the media though.

  • Hudson Godfrey :

    10 Mar 2010 11:33:29am

    Fact #1 the Rudd government loses by doing this if it doesn't work. There seems to be very little to gain from it otherwise.

    Fact #2 sick people and their families rarely have oversight of whose funding or blame it incurs if they aren't able to access the health services that they require.

    Fact #3 you can't just leave people to suffer and die because of budgetary constraints.

    What it seems to point to is that if Rudd's takeover and injection of funding are insufficient to the task at hand then the Federal government will probably have to take more rather than less responsibility for healthcare. And the only way to achieve that will be by taking more control.

    The likelihood of shared responsibility for health working being in my view negligible it may well be time that it became a Federal responsibility, and that does mean the whole system not just the parts that Rudd things he'll get credit for being able to fix!

      • luke warm :

        10 Mar 2010 1:26:22pm

        "Fact #3 you can't just leave people to suffer and die because of budgetary constraints."

        Seems like Abbott and Costello were prepared to do so, by reducing the Commonwealths proportion of contributions to hospital running costs.

          • Andy :

            10 Mar 2010 2:32:15pm

            Here we go trying to perpetuate that lie which has been demolished in this article

              • luke warm :

                10 Mar 2010 4:28:05pm

                I don't believe it has. Read my other posts, Davidson is selective in both his data and methods. As a trained scientist, I don't fall for such tricks.

              • Hermit :

                10 Mar 2010 8:15:54pm

                A reference to one's own authority. Completely bogus.

              • luke warm :

                10 Mar 2010 4:33:36pm

                You might want to read what I said, and do some maths. On the figures quoted in the article, total expenditure on hospitals increased by 8% per annum in the period, but Commonwealth expenditure increased by less than 7% per annum. The net effect was that as a percentage of total expenditure on hospitals, the Commonwealth contribution fell from 46% to 42%.

              • Hermit :

                10 Mar 2010 8:15:01pm

                Because the state's contribution was boosted by the availability of GST revenue.

                Tell all the story.

          • Hudson Godfrey :

            10 Mar 2010 4:17:42pm

            Politicians know that they can never be seen to do such a thing. And indeed it would be wrong to say that the effect of budgetary constraints would be deaths. Prolonged suffering in the form of waiting lists does seem to be somewhat negotiable however! As are things like palliative care, rehabilitation and outpatient services etc. All parts of the health system that are at issue in terms of coming under the same spending umbrella currently though not necessarily according to Rudd's new scheme of things. The question is all too frequently one of either shuffling deckchairs on the Titanic or robbing Peter to pay Paul when as far as patients are concerned none of it really matters. Maybe a timely reminder is needed that a society is judged by how it treats the least of its members!

  • spud :

    10 Mar 2010 11:18:08am

    Rudd has done nothing about health for over two years, despite his promises. Then having his promise called and seeing his slide in the polls, kevin the great decides he must at least be seen to be doing something, even though he hasn't a clue what to do. So he has to come up with something, anything that he can then call "the greatest reform of the health system since the Great Depression, oops, sorry, Medicare." This is thus a political "masterstroke". Propose something that involves tens of billions so that is sounds good, even if it is only a book entry, then make it so nebulous that trying to nail down what it actually is, is like trying to nail a blancmange to the wall, then put in c couple of bits so that the private health sector sounds threatened so that they and the Opposition have to oppose it and it won't ever get through Parliament, then give the states 30 days to agree unconditionally or it will be sent to a referendum, when two are in the throes of elections and can't possibly agree in any case, then to be sure, accuse the states of being responsible for a complete and utter dog's breakfast of health care so that they won't agree, and will oppose the changes in a referendum. Then you have the absolutely perfect policy on health; one that can be spun up to achieve anything you want it to, but which in actual fact is a super souffle of substanceless fluff, and hasn't got a hope in hades of getting through Parliament or a referendum, so that it never emerges as the heap of hot air that it really is. And kevin the great remains as the saviour of the health system, who came down from Queensland just for us, but unfortunately had his plan crucified before it could attain life.

  • luke warm :

    10 Mar 2010 11:18:07am

    "There is no evidence to support Kevin Rudd's claim that the Howard government stripped money from public hospitals. The amount of funding increased in every year and did so by more than GDP growth."

    Lies damned lies and statistics.....

    There may be no evidence in the figures that you selected to quote, BUT:
    1) You should NOT have started with the first Liberal budget (1997/8 in which Costello was cutting expenditure generally), but with the last Labor budget (1996/7).
    2) You have chosen to cite the increases as being 'against GDP', which is irrelevant. They should be against the increase in the costs of providing Hospital services, which are known to be greater than both GDP and CPI. I have heard a figure of 10% per annum increase, but let's look at what actually happened.
    3) On your own figures, total expenditure on hospitals increased by 8% in the period, but Commonwealth expenditure increased by less than 7% per annum. Thus, in real terms (ie measured taking into account increases in the costs) Commonwealth contribution declined
    4)The net effect was that as a percentage of total expenditure, the Commonwaelth contribution fell from 46% to 42%

      • luke warm :

        10 Mar 2010 4:41:48pm

        Correction, under point 1) the last Labor budget was 1995/96. But the point remains the same.

          • Hermit :

            10 Mar 2010 8:17:31pm

            ... and then take away the number you first thought of. The answer is 7. Amazing.

  • preciouspress :

    10 Mar 2010 11:00:40am

    First of all note that Sinclair Davidson is a Senior Fellow of the Institute of Public Affairs - just study his and its previous pronouncements.

    He says there is no evidence that the Howard Government took a billion dollars out of public hospitals. Then he states that from 1998 to 2007 the States increased their funding by 111% compared to the the Federal Governments 81%. If the Feds had increased at the same rate as the States they would have injected an additional $1.7 billion. They didn't instead spending on the Private Health Rebate. Isn't this evidence enough for the IPA fellow.

      • bj :

        10 Mar 2010 1:22:56pm

        How embarrassing.

        Maybe someone should've explained to you that there's a world of difference between cutting expenditure and not increasing the expenditure at the same rate as someone else.

          • Lewis of The Hills :

            10 Mar 2010 3:16:07pm

            especially when that someone else (the states) got all of the massive extra new taxation revenue from the GST.

          • preciouspress :

            10 Mar 2010 3:37:38pm

            Please read Lukewarm's post and it may help your understanding of this issue. You then may realise that Public hospitals are dual funded and the previous Federal government significantly reduced their share. I believe it fair to describe this as a taking funds from public hospitals.

              • Hermit :

                10 Mar 2010 8:18:48pm

                Indeed. The Labor fan club always believes any criticism of Mr Howard is justified.

                So pointless, but on and on it goes.

          • Mutley :

            14 Mar 2010 1:48:03am

            bj,

            When the population is aging, costs rising and the population increasing an insufficient funding increase is in fact a cut in the service delivered.

            The more you talk the more you show your ignorance.

  • Felipe :

    10 Mar 2010 11:00:40am

    Now it is clear Nicola Roxon is lying and is continuing to lie in parliament question time accusing the Coalition and especially Tony Abbott as guilty of stripping $1B out of Health. I think she should apologise for this lie and stop waffling in parliament unless she can fully substantiate her accusation.

  • Gregh :

    10 Mar 2010 10:28:09am



    Remember Lefties lie and twist statistics for their own purposes.


    It was a myth perpetuated by Labor that funding was cut under the previous govt when no such thing happened.

    The media took Labor's lie and ran with the story without questioning its credentials.


      • Arthur 1 :

        10 Mar 2010 12:48:06pm

        The article says that Howard increased health funding form $21b to $37b in the term of his govt.

        The next paragraph,says that Howard increased,public hospital from $5.9b to $10.7b.

        What has happened to the remainder of his $37b,about $27b?

        No one has mentioned how much private hospitals received.

        I am just not sure who is telling lies here.

        Having just returned from visiting a specialist,in a private hospital clinic,and was charged $259 for a Half hour conultation,I can see why public hospitals are collapsing under the load,after all,there are millions of people,who can't afford $250 fees for half and hour.

        A specialist which I visited yesterday,charged $59 for the same amount of time,and she also decided that the problem couldn't be fixed by her,and she referred us to the $250 specialist we saw this morning.

        I do hope the $259 specialist,doesn't complain to loudly when she takes her Mercedes in for service,or repairs.

        We will receive $78 from the taxpayer,to offset the $250,the $59 will be refunded in full.

          • Shelly :

            10 Mar 2010 3:40:26pm

            Health expenditure goes on other things besides acute care hospitals. Try the pharmaceuticals benefits scheme (that chews up a few billion) as does medicare.

            Also, lots of incentive programs for recruting/retaining medical/nursing in rural areas would probably be included in total health funding.

          • Realist :

            10 Mar 2010 5:52:40pm

            So prioritise your spending, your health is the most important thing you have. Private health cover is not exorbitant, if you have a few claims a year the return gets close to the outlay. No government in the world can afford to give everybody free health care at the highest level. If you get really sick as opposed to a bit of pain and discomfort you are just as well off in the public sector. We all want something for nothing but its not going to happen. Did you ever consider that you specialist has probably had 10 years of hard work and study before being a specialist. I have to see a specialist twice a year at least for the rest of my life and do not begrude them him his costs or his two kids in private school.
            we are a wealthy country and can generally afford good health care, people on low incomes do get health care and may have to pay a small portion of costs but we are way in front of most of the western world already. Who do think will pay for more free health care, Father Christmas?

              • Arthur 1 :

                10 Mar 2010 6:32:14pm

                Realist,
                Have you considered the fact that any specialist,between the age of about 55 and 62 were educated at UNI at a time when Uni fees were abolished by the Whitlam govt.

                The idea that the more times you claim,on your policy the cheaper it gets,is ridiculous,as people who don't claim see their premiums increase the same as yours will.Private insurance only opens the door for you,it does not pay the sometimes exorbitant fees Drs charge in the private system

                I have said on numerous occasions that if Private Insurance was truly private,only the top earners would be able to afford it.When you consider that students are subsidised,Unis are subsidised,Private hospitals are subsidised,and the health funds are subsidised,you can see that private insurance is a bit of a furphy.

                Private hospitals do not have to take all c omers,as Public hospitals,you know, the weekend party goers,road trauma,amateur sporting injuries,drug overdoses.etc.

              • Realist :

                11 Mar 2010 10:27:46am

                So if you don't claim you obviously get nothing back.Do you cancel your car ins, your house ins, contents if you go acouple of years without a claim? I am aware only too well there is a gap, however if you urgently need access to aspecialist it does as you say open the door, thats the point.
                I was not aware that only specialists were the only ones who got access to free uni, I thought it was the general student body, the entire population pretty much, thanks for correcting me on that point.
                Why not insure your health as most other things insurable often are, when i was self employed I had sickness and accident insurance, if you think health ins is expensive try that, fo all people who arenot covered by workers comp expect the gov to pay that? NOTake responsibility for yourself and look after your most precious asset, your health
                Most public hospitals do not take all comers as you state, only those with accident and emergency which are not the majority.

      • luke warm :

        10 Mar 2010 1:23:07pm

        "Remember Lefties lie and twist statistics for their own purposes."

        And the conservatives would never do that would they - ROFLMAO

        I'm suspicious that Davidson (from the right wing IPA) has selected as his base (start point) the contributions from the first Howard / Costello budget, not the previous Labor budget. He also uses GDP as a comparative measure to suggest that funding was not reduced in real terms - he should be looking at the overall rate of increase in the cost of providing hospital services.

          • Hermit :

            10 Mar 2010 8:20:37pm

            Yes, and if you close one eye and squint through the other Mr Rudd looks just like President Obama.

            Twisted minds see twisted things.

  • Delphic Oracle :

    10 Mar 2010 10:21:21am

    Let all politicians be more interested in promoting good health and there wouldn't be such a need for so many hospital beds. Put up the taxes on junk food, tobacco, alcahol and raise the age to apply for a driving licence and the money saved would build more health clinics. Political parties never start at the grass roots - they just all pander to the voters.

      • Ron Rat :

        10 Mar 2010 2:22:08pm

        Better still Delphic ban tobacco, alcohol and junk foods. Ban driving for women. Ban education for them as well. Save the money for education (because the big black hole in taxes from alcohol etc will be huge) and build some mosques. Oh and pay for a few health police to report people who get old, are in industrial accidents, are genetically weak or heaven forbid born with less than perfect health.

  • Joe Monterrubio :

    10 Mar 2010 10:05:57am

    My two cents worth:

    Why not change parliamentary procedure so a double dissolution election is only possible after a failed joint sitting, instead of joint sittings only being possible after a double dissolution election as is currently the case?

      • Lewis of The Hills :

        10 Mar 2010 10:39:27am

        I like this idea but how then would the voters tell their elected reps how they feel about the issue at hand?

  • george c :

    10 Mar 2010 9:54:26am

    As one who has worked in the health service for over 2 decades, it has seemed like a war of attrition, waged by new administration and under-resourcng from both state and federal. And yes, the perpetual blame shifting that goes with it.

    Another article from the IPA supporting Howard and Caolition, is beyond tedious.

    Neither this government nor their predecessors were friends of the health service. Twisting history isn't going to change that.

  • DocMercury :

    10 Mar 2010 9:39:07am

    It would be so much more profitable to deny medical assistance to all people over 35 and under 12 months.

    I'm only surprised that this is not already protocol.

      • Joe Monterrubio :

        10 Mar 2010 10:07:15am

        That would be the Logan Plan.

  • DT :

    10 Mar 2010 9:12:46am

    Thank you for showing that Rudd Labor's claim that Howard's Coalition decreased spending on health is a fairy tale. It seems to me that to get more bang for our bucks requires an audit of health areas of spending, and one in particular would be the number of administration personnel and what they do or don't contribute in return for their cost to taxpayers. Indeed, similar audits should be done in education and other government departments. The results, if our state and federal governments were willing to be honest with taxpayers, would highlight the need for a change in policies.

      • Jen from Nana glen :

        10 Mar 2010 1:55:15pm

        Agree DT. Too many bureaucrats, the senior ones on salaries better than some specialists, and not enough front line health services from paramedics, ambos, cleaners, in-house kitchen staff, plus the medicos. But Rudd being a bureaucratic boffin will just boost the numbers in Canberra taking resources from front line services. Probably close small hospitals that service our outlying regions while states stop or not fund air ambulances or flying doctor.

        Just don't get sick! Maybe one day Rudd has need of emergency services and finds they took their time getting to him.

      • Lewis of The Hills :

        10 Mar 2010 3:38:24pm

        They say that in NSW there are 30 bureaucrats for every 20 health care proffessionals. Wow! 30 of them administering what 20 doctors/nurses/etc do and how they are funded.

      • Chookman :

        10 Mar 2010 9:54:54pm

        The federal gov't spend on public hospitals as a proportion dropped from 50% to 40% of the total cost. Whilst the actual monetary amoount may have increased the percentage share decreased - similar to many other public/private funding strategies.

  • Blzbob :

    10 Mar 2010 8:53:19am

    I seem to remember howard slashing everything when he first took power.
    So he effectively lowered the bar that he had to clear from then onwards.

      • spud :

        10 Mar 2010 10:59:52am

        With all due respect, I seem to remember that your memory is often politically selective, so evidence might help.

      • Ravensclaw :

        10 Mar 2010 11:35:29am

        Hi Blzbob

        You aren't talking about Keating's deceitful claim in 1996 that the Budget was in surplus are you?

        Pray tell me how large where the cuts Howard took out of health after gaining office in 1996... after finding out the true state of the budget i.e. huge budget deficit and blowout, and the hopeless ineptitude of the thuggish and bigotted Keating government?

        That election lie was Keating's parting shot to democracy in this country. The second was the ACTU's siege and vandalism of Parliament House less than a year later.


        Cheers

      • Lewis of The Hills :

        10 Mar 2010 3:39:06pm

        According to www.budget.gov/1996-97 the last Keaing health budget was $19.4 billion so Costello's first health budget was a 12% increase on that.

  • Eskimo :

    10 Mar 2010 8:50:56am

    I confused. Does the Federal Government dictate to the states how they must use the revenue acquired via the GST?

    If not, then you can't logically attribute any GST revenue spent on health (or anything) to the Commonwealth. That would be similar to me deciding to buy a car and my employer making the claim that they spent more on my car this year than in previous years.

    Additionally, you and Mr Sheehan should investigate the necessary requirements for someone to be considered a liar.

      • Lewis of The Hills :

        10 Mar 2010 11:03:13am

        Read the article again. The commonwealth health spending quoted as above does not include GST money.

      • Andy :

        10 Mar 2010 11:07:53am

        The commonwealth spends not 1 cent of the GST on anything. All the GST funds currently go to the states. None of the increased health spending by the Howard government came from GST increases. It was all from other revenues that the commonwealth can spend. That is the crux of the great big ALP LIE on health spending under JWH. Go to the AIHW site your self and see the figures as I have been trying to get the ALP flunkies who blog these sites to do for months. They are peddling a great big lie.
        Thank you Sinclair for giving it prominence.
        In contrast Rudds Great Big Money Go Round will take GST funds from the states thehn give it back to them as increased government spending on health. For the next 3 years RUDD has no plan to put 1 EXTRA CENT into hospital funding - additional funds available will be due to "efficiences" as Tanner put it on AM this morning. If he means like the efficiences of every other project They have started like the blown out Gillard Memorial halls etc then wait to see the billions down the drain.

      • NorwegianBlue :

        10 Mar 2010 12:08:02pm

        You're right - you ARE confused. Read the article again. It says the GST is partly responsible for an increase in STATE funding to hospitals. The writer has not attributed GST revenue to the Commonwealth. Nor has the ABS or AIHW.
        A liar is someone who doesn't tell the truth, or who misrepresents it. That sounds like most politicians (and a good many journalists) to me.

          • Eskimo :

            10 Mar 2010 4:49:24pm

            Happy to not be confused now. Thank you.

            I'm not confused about the lying though. Saying something that isn't true is not enough to qualify you as being a liar.

            "Paul Sheehan, writing in The Sydney Morning Herald, has called the 'Howard cut health spending' meme a big lie and declared that anyone repeating this mantra is lying. That is a big call - it is also correct."

            It is a big call, mainly because it is unjustified. Justification would require that both the author and Mr Sheehan would need to verify that the 'anyone' they refer to knew that the "'Howard cut health spending' meme" was false.

  • Lewis of The Hills :

    10 Mar 2010 8:38:34am

    The decision to hand over the GST to the states in full with no strings attached was always going to come back & bite us.

    One may well argue that it was neccessary for a coalition commonwealth government to get wall to wall labor state governments on board. I think Howard & Costello should have negotiated harder & at least quarantined the GST for specific spends like health, education, & infrastructure.

      • luke warm :

        10 Mar 2010 12:17:43pm

        Unfortunately the GST is not handed back 'with no strings attached'. States do not get back every cent that was derived from their State, it is adjusted by the Commonwealth so that some States get more than their fair share.

          • J :

            10 Mar 2010 4:04:24pm

            Another string was that goods and services prices to consumers could not rise by more than the GST for the first 12 months. While the removal of the existing goods taxes allowed for some ex-tax price rises, as services had no tax, they effectively could not raise the ex-GST pricing for 12months.

            Of course this meant after 12 months, goods and services increased significantly to make up for it, in many cases by more than would be expected.

      • Arthur 1 :

        10 Mar 2010 1:08:02pm

        The GST was a Howard govt scheme,to reduce income tax on high,and middle class earners,plus companies.

        It also allowed govts to tax everybody including,pensioners,low paid workers,and any other fixed income worker,without attracting any of the blame.

        It is worth noting that Keating favoured,a GST also,maybe his implementation would have been different,it is also good for small business,as they get the GST spent in work related expenses back every three months,instead of annually,not so good for land lords,I am told.

          • Vivienne :

            10 Mar 2010 1:48:49pm

            Hi Arthur 1 - small point, but Keating wanted a goods tax - he did not include services.

              • Arthur 1 :

                10 Mar 2010 6:42:32pm

                I forgot that Viv,and that would have made a difference.

  • Realist :

    10 Mar 2010 8:35:12am

    So the stats show things under Rudd are in decline and he wants control. He has to show that his government are capable of running the show and looking at past performance he is not capable. Be interesting to see the defences put forward to refute the lies shown in the article.

      • nickit2010 :

        10 Mar 2010 10:50:40pm

        I find it somewhat alarming that people are criticising the government for taking too long to bring their health policy out. What, you want them to bring out an illconsidered, rushed policy (ie like the insulation scheme)? Gee, I wonder what you'd be saying if they'd done that. Damned if they do, damned if they don't. So what if it took them longer to announce it! It looks like it will be a major improvement on the system we have currently.
        I also find it surprising that people are so quick to believe everything that a member of a right-wing conservative think tank says without even the smallest amount of research and critical analysis. At least some of the people posting here have put some thought into what has been said, and identified some 'interesting' interpretations of data put forward to suit the author's agenda.

          • jas :

            11 Mar 2010 1:53:07pm

            This IS an ill-considered, rushed policy. It was announced to do three things: Try to get Bartlett and Rann over the line - as evidenced by their wholehearted embrace of it when every other premier thinks its a dog; Get Rudd out of the PR hole he dug for himself with his whole 'Sorry' routine and; allow him to look tough by picking a fight with NSW and Qld.
            This was knocked up in a few days to achieve those aims. It has nothing to do with a better deal for health.

          • Realist :

            12 Mar 2010 1:23:23pm

            They have had since the election or before to get it right as opposed to the insulation scheme which was done on the back of an envelope.Rudd micro manages all ALP policy so this is his baby, interesting that he has in the past found time to do many things at once but now cannot find time to release the Henry report.
            There is no way anybody can imagine this will be a major improvment without the details being released, maybe it will, maybe it won't, who knows.
            If Rudd wishes the Premiers to support it he MUST release on the details, only a fool would sign a contract that can be added to by the prime contractor after signing without mutual consent.
            This is typical Rudd policy, "trust me, I'll let you know how it works when I'm ready"